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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very interesting.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I suggest looking at Anna&#039;s post, it&#039;s quite true in my opinion.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m also a web designer so maybe anna&#039;s comment are recongnisable to me. I live in the netherlands by the way.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;also don&#039;t confuse work with art. Commercial design is not necessarily always about top notch personal creativity, profound inspiration and innovation.
I know that some people really ARE top artists and strive to be the most creative. But i also know that my job and a lot of other commercial jobs, can be structured and planned.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also sometimes, it helps to just get started. Make sketches, talk, do SOMETHING even though you haven&#039;t got much inspiration at some points. Indeed it&#039;s a bit like what writers do, when they sit down each day and just try stuff out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And about free time: if you want more free time you simply have to work less. And probably make less money too. I&#039;m not a freelancer, but i can&#039;t imagine freelancers are any less busy, than designers working in companies. The job still has to get done, no matter at what time of day you do it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.</p>

<p>I suggest looking at Anna&#8217;s post, it&#8217;s quite true in my opinion.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m also a web designer so maybe anna&#8217;s comment are recongnisable to me. I live in the netherlands by the way.</p>

<p>also don&#8217;t confuse work with art. Commercial design is not necessarily always about top notch personal creativity, profound inspiration and innovation.
I know that some people really ARE top artists and strive to be the most creative. But i also know that my job and a lot of other commercial jobs, can be structured and planned.</p>

<p>Also sometimes, it helps to just get started. Make sketches, talk, do SOMETHING even though you haven&#8217;t got much inspiration at some points. Indeed it&#8217;s a bit like what writers do, when they sit down each day and just try stuff out.</p>

<p>And about free time: if you want more free time you simply have to work less. And probably make less money too. I&#8217;m not a freelancer, but i can&#8217;t imagine freelancers are any less busy, than designers working in companies. The job still has to get done, no matter at what time of day you do it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Naboo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is all so interesting, as only yesterday I decided to break the 9 to 5.30 (good old UK!) and go it freelance after 10 years being employed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Reading all these posts only heighten my excitement... Yippee!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yippee for working when I want, be that until the wee wee hours or between 10am and 7pm.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yippee for stopping when I want to take the dog for a quick walk.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yippee for no more non-designer corporate middle managers thinking they can design.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wooo, get me OUTTA HERE!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all so interesting, as only yesterday I decided to break the 9 to 5.30 (good old UK!) and go it freelance after 10 years being employed.</p>

<p>Reading all these posts only heighten my excitement&#8230; Yippee!</p>

<p>Yippee for working when I want, be that until the wee wee hours or between 10am and 7pm.</p>

<p>Yippee for stopping when I want to take the dog for a quick walk.</p>

<p>Yippee for no more non-designer corporate middle managers thinking they can design.</p>

<p>Wooo, get me OUTTA HERE!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rob Keller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A List Apart did an article about a 4 day work week and it sounds similar. Next month when I hope to try this out to some extent because I think it could work. Not the 4 day part, but maybe 6 but with set hours... well we will see...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fourdayweek&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A List Apart did an article about a 4 day work week and it sounds similar. Next month when I hope to try this out to some extent because I think it could work. Not the 4 day part, but maybe 6 but with set hours&#8230; well we will see&#8230;</p>

<p><a href="http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fourdayweek" rel="nofollow">http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fourdayweek</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to say, I like the 9-5 schedule. I can relate to you as well, it seems as even if I am out of work at 5 I either get text messages, emails, calls and being the nice person that I am you want to help those in need of your magical powers. Even if I do work 9-5 I still do work other hours outside work, but Atleast I feel as though I have a little bit more control of my life activities. I do say I am at the gym at 7pm, during and after that I am unavailable. That is the real deal.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I like the 9-5 schedule. I can relate to you as well, it seems as even if I am out of work at 5 I either get text messages, emails, calls and being the nice person that I am you want to help those in need of your magical powers. Even if I do work 9-5 I still do work other hours outside work, but Atleast I feel as though I have a little bit more control of my life activities. I do say I am at the gym at 7pm, during and after that I am unavailable. That is the real deal.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Wendren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You make a good point and make a 9-5 actually sound like quite a good deal. However, I wish it would work for me. As a designer there is nothing I hate more than to be tied down to a set time where you must clock in and out. Perhaps there could be a balance...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Either way I think I need to take note of point 2. It could not be more true. When I worked 9 to 5 the evenings really were mine and were not plauged with my to-do list. I am going to try and set myself a set work time from now onwards (yeh right, here I sit at almost 10pm writing this comment!).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point and make a 9-5 actually sound like quite a good deal. However, I wish it would work for me. As a designer there is nothing I hate more than to be tied down to a set time where you must clock in and out. Perhaps there could be a balance&#8230;</p>

<p>Either way I think I need to take note of point 2. It could not be more true. When I worked 9 to 5 the evenings really were mine and were not plauged with my to-do list. I am going to try and set myself a set work time from now onwards (yeh right, here I sit at almost 10pm writing this comment!).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kalle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seems to me &#039;9 to 5&#039; is read here as a synonym for wage slavery, ie. working for someone else. But what about freelancers setting setting their own hours according to a similar scheme? Having start and finish deadlines for daily work doesn&#039;t sound like  such a bad idea.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me &#8217;9 to 5&#8242; is read here as a synonym for wage slavery, ie. working for someone else. But what about freelancers setting setting their own hours according to a similar scheme? Having start and finish deadlines for daily work doesn&#8217;t sound like  such a bad idea.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MADPHILL</title>
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		<dc:creator>MADPHILL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s very possible to do this. The irony is that passion and excellence goes right to shit, because you will then be working for a corporation and creativity by committee never freakin&#039; works.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m speaking from present experience.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Creativity and innovation requires flexibility, and sometimes as we all know, you are just no on it. Creatives need to be able to break away and 9-5ers can&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Grass is always greener I suppose, but don&#039;t under value freedom from monotony.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very possible to do this. The irony is that passion and excellence goes right to shit, because you will then be working for a corporation and creativity by committee never freakin&#8217; works.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m speaking from present experience.</p>

<p>Creativity and innovation requires flexibility, and sometimes as we all know, you are just no on it. Creatives need to be able to break away and 9-5ers can&#8217;t.</p>

<p>Grass is always greener I suppose, but don&#8217;t under value freedom from monotony.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michael@ Awareness * Connection</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael@ Awareness * Connection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a great question. It is a tough one for me as someone in private practice. I&#039;ve worked over the years to get the bulk of my clients scheduled in a block of days leaving me time to spend with may family that I know can&#039;t end up being interrupted by someone scheduling after it looked like it would be free. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The blogging and writing I do to support and feed my practice bleeds all over the place though. I love what I do for a living and love the writing. And one of the results of loving what I do is that work and play begin to blend together. In many areas it is downright hard to tell the difference. Am I reading this because I&#039;m curious about the light it sheds on human relationships or because I need to know if for my craft?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the other hand there are days where I wish my work were more defined and contained. I think there will come a time later in life where the containment will be more important to me. For now I am enjoying riding the wave and seeing what I can accomplish and how many clients and families I can be helpful to.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great question. It is a tough one for me as someone in private practice. I&#8217;ve worked over the years to get the bulk of my clients scheduled in a block of days leaving me time to spend with may family that I know can&#8217;t end up being interrupted by someone scheduling after it looked like it would be free. </p>

<p>The blogging and writing I do to support and feed my practice bleeds all over the place though. I love what I do for a living and love the writing. And one of the results of loving what I do is that work and play begin to blend together. In many areas it is downright hard to tell the difference. Am I reading this because I&#8217;m curious about the light it sheds on human relationships or because I need to know if for my craft?</p>

<p>On the other hand there are days where I wish my work were more defined and contained. I think there will come a time later in life where the containment will be more important to me. For now I am enjoying riding the wave and seeing what I can accomplish and how many clients and families I can be helpful to.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: kaske</title>
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		<dc:creator>kaske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are several factors to be considered in this issue:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;personal affinity
( I wanna work 20 hours for you for free beacuse I love my work so much that I&#039;m ready to bust my ass for it; or: I am a person who likes deadlines and planning my life precisely so I&#039;ll work only 8 hours; ... )&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;job conditions ( I am working 20 hours a day but I get twice as much money; or: I am working only 4 hours a day beacuse I can! )&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;global system ( USA: Oh yeah, I work 20 hours a day and have XXXX,XX$ salary; or: India: I work 10 hours a day and have 5XX,XX$ salary )&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How come nobody considers the importance of place we live in and the influence of the whole system on our atitudes we express here? Do you really believe that this story wouldn&#039;t take a different path if it&#039;s written in e.g. Albania? Are our opinions perhaps influenced by a capitalistic system approach only? If you think not, tell me about China Web Design?
Do/Can they really care like us? I don&#039;t think so.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several factors to be considered in this issue:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>personal affinity
( I wanna work 20 hours for you for free beacuse I love my work so much that I&#8217;m ready to bust my ass for it; or: I am a person who likes deadlines and planning my life precisely so I&#8217;ll work only 8 hours; &#8230; )</p></li>
<li><p>job conditions ( I am working 20 hours a day but I get twice as much money; or: I am working only 4 hours a day beacuse I can! )</p></li>
<li><p>global system ( USA: Oh yeah, I work 20 hours a day and have XXXX,XX$ salary; or: India: I work 10 hours a day and have 5XX,XX$ salary )</p></li>
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<p>How come nobody considers the importance of place we live in and the influence of the whole system on our atitudes we express here? Do you really believe that this story wouldn&#8217;t take a different path if it&#8217;s written in e.g. Albania? Are our opinions perhaps influenced by a capitalistic system approach only? If you think not, tell me about China Web Design?
Do/Can they really care like us? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been a corporate designer, employed by one company or another, for over ten years now. YES it is possible to be an excellent and passionate designer and work 9-5.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes a job has it&#039;s own problems, but so does freelancing. I love having a job because I &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; clock off at 5pm and not even think about work until 9am the next morning. All those hours in between are &lt;em&gt;mine&lt;/em&gt; to do my own thing, and I still get a paycheck every week whether there&#039;s been clients or not.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I totally agree with Kyle&#039;s comment (a few above mine) - don&#039;t worry about getting ahead / climbing the corporate ladder. They&#039;re just games your employer likes to make you play so that you&#039;re a better little money-making machine for them. I never work for free (unpaid overtime, etc) - I value my after-hours time with friends and family and for my own projects far too much.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And yes it&#039;s also possible to remain passionate and excellent at what you do working 9-5. Even after 10 years I still love my work (web design) and there is always something new to learn. Just don&#039;t settle for less than you want - do your dues with the smaller companies for a few years (as we all have to do, it&#039;s not fun but it seems to be necessary) - and then become the best damn designer you can be and name your terms.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also believe 9-5 can definitely work for freelancing as well - deadlines are fantastic motivators, they separate the wheat from the chaff so you end up doing only what really &lt;em&gt;needs&lt;/em&gt; to be done. I use deadlines every single day in my job, and life in general, to help me concentrate on what is important.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just my two cents anyway, I hope it&#039;s helpful :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a corporate designer, employed by one company or another, for over ten years now. YES it is possible to be an excellent and passionate designer and work 9-5.</p>

<p>Yes a job has it&#8217;s own problems, but so does freelancing. I love having a job because I <em>can</em> clock off at 5pm and not even think about work until 9am the next morning. All those hours in between are <em>mine</em> to do my own thing, and I still get a paycheck every week whether there&#8217;s been clients or not.</p>

<p>I totally agree with Kyle&#8217;s comment (a few above mine) &#8211; don&#8217;t worry about getting ahead / climbing the corporate ladder. They&#8217;re just games your employer likes to make you play so that you&#8217;re a better little money-making machine for them. I never work for free (unpaid overtime, etc) &#8211; I value my after-hours time with friends and family and for my own projects far too much.</p>

<p>And yes it&#8217;s also possible to remain passionate and excellent at what you do working 9-5. Even after 10 years I still love my work (web design) and there is always something new to learn. Just don&#8217;t settle for less than you want &#8211; do your dues with the smaller companies for a few years (as we all have to do, it&#8217;s not fun but it seems to be necessary) &#8211; and then become the best damn designer you can be and name your terms.</p>

<p>I also believe 9-5 can definitely work for freelancing as well &#8211; deadlines are fantastic motivators, they separate the wheat from the chaff so you end up doing only what really <em>needs</em> to be done. I use deadlines every single day in my job, and life in general, to help me concentrate on what is important.</p>

<p>Just my two cents anyway, I hope it&#8217;s helpful :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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